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[Technology 1696] Re: Technology Digest, Vol 34, Issue 17Cindy Fischer CFischer at Harford.eduThu Jul 31 10:29:57 EDT 2008
Wow, Gina! I, too, am on the internet and the computer for most of the day (reading list serves, sort of is one of my daily tasks). But I cannot read a story on line or a long email. I have to print it out. I prefer real books to cuddle up with on a rainy day. I've watched music videos on my iPOD, but nothing else. The small screen is useless to me. You are obviously a good reader and thinker, so you're able to educate yourself using technology. For our students who are reading below 8th grade level, I wonder how much reading and thinking they're actually doing online, on cells, or on iPODs. I catch them on Utube watching stupid people videos. Is that really helping them learn to think critically and read in a focused manner? I wonder. Cindy "If you believe in good things, you can make them happen." Cindy >>> <technology-request at nifl.gov> 7/31/2008 9:57 AM >>> Send Technology mailing list submissions to technology at nifl.gov To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/technology or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to technology-request at nifl.gov You can reach the person managing the list at technology-owner at nifl.gov When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Technology digest..." Today's Topics: 1. [Technology 1689] Re: Technology Digest, Vol 34, Issue 15 (Lobaccaro Gina (DOC)) 2. [Technology 1690] Re: Technology Digest, Vol 34, Issue 15 (Bonnie Odiorne) 3. [Technology 1691] Re: Technology Digest, Vol 34, Issue 15 (David Williams) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:54:56 -0400 From: "Lobaccaro Gina (DOC)" <Gina.Lobaccaro at state.de.us> Subject: [Technology 1689] Re: Technology Digest, Vol 34, Issue 15 To: "The Technology and Literacy Discussion List" <technology at nifl.gov> Message-ID: <A7439902C13D6C459A2217AB22A386FB0262F6C6 at DOVERSCLS01N1.state.de.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi David - and others! I (an adult correctional educator and doctorate student and frequent Internet user)- like the students mentioned in the article - no longer read books for pleasure EVER. I don't read newspapers or magazines anymore; I check out local and national news daily online. My eyes are exhausted from the work I do online and from reading textbooks or online readings for my classes. I purchased an IPod a few years ago, and now download a book (for pleasure "listening") now and again - to listen to when I am driving or before I fall asleep. Or, I have podcasts downloaded to listen to (as opposed to reading magazines). I do "read seriously" but I don't read for pleasure anymore. I wonder how many other adult "professionals" (as opposed to students in general) who spend a great deal of time doing computer work (including work online) still do read books for pleasure and/or read the newspaper and magazines regularly. :-) Gina ________________________________ From: technology-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:technology-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Cindy Fischer Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:04 AM To: technology at nifl.gov Cc: Cindy Fischer Subject: [Technology 1688] Re: Technology Digest, Vol 34, Issue 15 David, Thank you for this great article and great topic. I am constantly amazed at what our students, who score below 8th grade level in reading and math can do. They can text with one finger on a tiny machine and talk at the same time. A few weeks ago, I brought my niece back to Maryland with me after I visited my family in Ohio. During the 10 hour drive, she managed to carry on a pleasant conversation and text over 900 times! (I know this because her father got the bill -- he gets a printout even though she has unlimited now). Her phone is so tiny, I couldn't make out the letters she used to text. She used her thumb most of the time. She is a straight A student and does some reading. She was made to read Three Cups of Tea before entering her 1st year of college, but she was reluctant and didn't want to read it. She brought it along, but I don't believe she ever opened the book in the two weeks she was with us. She spent hours on our computer. My point is that our "students" are living in a different world. What a cliche'. I have so much trouble with my online credit students getting them to understand that the Wikipedia is not a reliable source. They have fallen for the Octopus hoax (not all, but far too many). I'm wondering if what we have to do is teach reliability, credibility, skills etc. and be glad they're reading and writing so much more! Cindy "If you believe in good things, you can make them happen." Cindy >>> <technology-request at nifl.gov> 7/29/2008 12:00 PM >>> Send Technology mailing list submissions to technology at nifl.gov To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/technology or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to technology-request at nifl.gov You can reach the person managing the list at technology-owner at nifl.gov When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Technology digest..." Today's Topics: 1. [Technology 1687] Literacy Debate: Online, R U Really Reading? (David J. Rosen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:55:26 -0400 From: "David J. Rosen" <djrosen at comcast.net> Subject: [Technology 1687] Literacy Debate: Online, R U Really Reading? To: The Technology and Literacy Discussion List <technology at nifl.gov> Message-ID: <55EFFB5E-9D33-438C-B552-37196464C82B at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Technology colleagues, Today's New York Times has an article (online, of course) on reading online vs reading books. Among other things mentioned are: ? a spoof web site about an endangered Pacific Northwest Tree Octopus that 90% of the students of the teacher who assigned the web site thought was authentic, ? an Internet literacy test which will be taken by students in OECD countries (except the U.S.), and ? various views about whether reading online is an essential kind of reading now or distracting from serious reading. You'll find the article at: http://tinyurl.com/6n7vjk I wonder what you think of this article (the first in a series). David J. Rosen djrosen at comcast.net ------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------------- National Institute for Literacy Technology and Literacy mailing list Technology at nifl.gov To unsubscribe or change your subscription settings, please go to http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/technology End of Technology Digest, Vol 34, Issue 15 ****************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.nifl.gov/pipermail/technology/attachments/20080730/ec2e2125/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:23:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Bonnie Odiorne <bonniesophia at sbcglobal.net> Subject: [Technology 1690] Re: Technology Digest, Vol 34, Issue 15 To: The Technology and Literacy Discussion List <technology at nifl.gov> Message-ID: <113214.94824.qm at web83311.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I still read books for pleasure, the newspapers, and (my secret addiction) look at catalogs, but simply because I?do so much work on the computer that books are a different vision range for me and it's kind of relaxing. I'm visually impaired, and a screen is a screen, so?I rarely watch TV any more. and if I didn't read for leisure, I truly would go insane;? I need the distraction from brain overload, and it's been that way since grad school. Bonnie Odiorne ----- Original Message ---- From: Lobaccaro Gina (DOC) <Gina.Lobaccaro at state.de.us> To: The Technology and Literacy Discussion List <technology at nifl.gov> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 2:54:56 PM Subject: [Technology 1689] Re: Technology Digest, Vol 34, Issue 15 Hi David ? and others! I (an adult correctional educator and doctorate student and frequent Internet user)? like the students mentioned in the article ? no longer read books for pleasure EVER. I don?t read newspapers or magazines anymore; I check out local and national news daily online.? My eyes are exhausted from the work I do online and from reading textbooks or online readings for my classes. I purchased an IPod a few years ago, and now download a book (for pleasure ?listening?) now and again ? to listen to when I am driving or before I fall asleep.? Or, I have podcasts downloaded to listen to (as opposed to reading magazines).? I do ?read seriously? but I don?t read for pleasure anymore.? I wonder how many other adult ?professionals? (as opposed to students in general) who spend a great deal of time doing computer work (including work online) still do read books for pleasure and/or read the newspaper and magazines regularly. J Gina ? ________________________________ From:technology-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:technology-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Cindy Fischer Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:04 AM To: technology at nifl.gov Cc: Cindy Fischer Subject: [Technology 1688] Re: Technology Digest, Vol 34, Issue 15 ? David, Thank you for this great article and great topic.? I am constantly amazed at what our students, who score below 8th grade level in reading and math can do.? They can text with one finger on a tiny machine and talk at the same time.? A few weeks ago, I brought my niece back to Maryland with me after I visited my family in Ohio .? During the 10 hour drive, she managed to carry on a pleasant conversation and text over 900 times!? (I know this because her father got the bill -- he gets a printout even though she has unlimited now).? Her phone is so tiny, I couldn't make out the letters she used to text.? She used her thumb most of the time.? She is a straight A student and does some reading.? She was made to read Three Cups of Tea before entering her 1st year of college, but she was reluctant and didn't want to read it.? She brought it along, but I don't believe she ever opened the book in the two weeks she was with us.? She spent hours on our computer.? My point is that our "students" are living in a different world.? What a cliche'.? I have so much trouble with my online credit students getting them to understand that the Wikipedia is not a reliable source.? They have fallen for the Octopus hoax (not all, but far too many).? I'm wondering if what we have to do is teach reliability, credibility, skills etc. and be glad they're reading and writing so much more!? Cindy ? ? "If you believe in good things, you can? make them happen." Cindy >>> <technology-request at nifl.gov> 7/29/2008 12:00 PM >>> Send Technology mailing list submissions to technology at nifl.gov To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/technology or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to technology-request at nifl.gov You can reach the person managing the list at technology-owner at nifl.gov When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Technology digest..." Today's Topics: ?? 1. [Technology 1687]? Literacy Debate: Online, R U Really ????? Reading ? (David J. Rosen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:55:26 -0400 From: "David J. Rosen" <djrosen at comcast.net> Subject: [Technology 1687]? Literacy Debate: Online, R U Really Reading ? To: The Technology and Literacy Discussion List < technology at nifl.gov > Message-ID: <55EFFB5E-9D33-438C-B552-37196464C82B at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Technology colleagues, Today's New York Times has an article (online, of course) on reading? online vs reading books. Among other things mentioned are: ? a spoof web site about an endangered Pacific Northwest Tree Octopus? that 90% of the students of the teacher who assigned the web site? thought was authentic, ? an Internet literacy test which will be taken by students in OECD? countries (except the U.S. ),? and ? various views about whether reading online is an essential kind of? reading now or distracting from serious reading. You'll find the article at: http://tinyurl.com/6n7vjk I wonder what you think of this article (the first in a series). David J. Rosen djrosen at comcast.net ------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------------- National Institute for Literacy Technology and Literacy mailing list Technology at nifl.gov To unsubscribe or change your subscription settings, please go to http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/technology End of Technology Digest, Vol 34, Issue 15 ****************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.nifl.gov/pipermail/technology/attachments/20080730/cef5913f/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:43:04 -0700 (PDT) From: David Williams <dwilliams52 at sbcglobal.net> Subject: [Technology 1691] Re: Technology Digest, Vol 34, Issue 15 To: The Technology and Literacy Discussion List <technology at nifl.gov> Message-ID: <946650.83211.qm at web83504.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi to everyone, In response to Gina's comments. I don't read hard copy books for pleasure as much as I once did, but in my case it's a matter of available time not lack of desire. I still read the newspaper on a mostly daily basis and still have several magazine subscriptions for areas of interest outside of education. In fact, I found it rather difficult to read the on line article, as I do most in-depth informational text on line. This may add to the argument that older (as in my case) adults find hard copy written information easier to deal with, while younger adults find the e-technology information (e-text, visual graphics and audio) easier to use rather it's for information or pleasure. However, the article does make several interesting points (even if they were not reasonably substantiated with data). Many learners who suffered from learning impairments are able to communicate at a higher functional level via on line techniques than with traditional paper communications. One of my sons is an example of this, he suffers from dyslexia and had a terrible time with reading and writing in his traditional k-12 studies. Once he acquired the on line skills so common today, his ability to communicate in writing and his functional reading have increased greatly. Dave Williams "Lobaccaro Gina (DOC)" <Gina.Lobaccaro at state.de.us> wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Hi David ? and others! I (an adult correctional educator and doctorate student and frequent Internet user)? like the students mentioned in the article ? no longer read books for pleasure EVER. I don?t read newspapers or magazines anymore; I check out local and national news daily online. My eyes are exhausted from the work I do online and from reading textbooks or online readings for my classes. I purchased an IPod a few years ago, and now download a book (for pleasure ?listening?) now and again ? to listen to when I am driving or before I fall asleep. Or, I have podcasts downloaded to listen to (as opposed to reading magazines). I do ?read seriously? but I don?t read for pleasure anymore. I wonder how many other adult ?professionals? (as opposed to students in general) who spend a great deal of time doing computer work (including work online) still do read books for pleasure and/or read the newspaper and magazines regularly. J Gina --------------------------------- From: technology-bounces at nifl.gov [mailto:technology-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Cindy Fischer Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:04 AM To: technology at nifl.gov Cc: Cindy Fischer Subject: [Technology 1688] Re: Technology Digest, Vol 34, Issue 15 David, Thank you for this great article and great topic. I am constantly amazed at what our students, who score below 8th grade level in reading and math can do. They can text with one finger on a tiny machine and talk at the same time. A few weeks ago, I brought my niece back to Maryland with me after I visited my family in Ohio. During the 10 hour drive, she managed to carry on a pleasant conversation and text over 900 times! (I know this because her father got the bill -- he gets a printout even though she has unlimited now). Her phone is so tiny, I couldn't make out the letters she used to text. She used her thumb most of the time. She is a straight A student and does some reading. She was made to read Three Cups of Tea before entering her 1st year of college, but she was reluctant and didn't want to read it. She brought it along, but I don't believe she ever opened the book in the two weeks she was with us. She spent hours on our computer. My point is that our "students" are living in a different world. What a cliche'. I have so much trouble with my online credit students getting them to understand that the Wikipedia is not a reliable source. They have fallen for the Octopus hoax (not all, but far too many). I'm wondering if what we have to do is teach reliability, credibility, skills etc. and be glad they're reading and writing so much more! Cindy "If you believe in good things, you can make them happen." Cindy >>> <technology-request at nifl.gov> 7/29/2008 12:00 PM >>> Send Technology mailing list submissions to technology at nifl.gov To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.nifl.gov/mailman/listinfo/technology or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to technology-request at nifl.gov You can reach the person managing the list at technology-owner at nifl.gov When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Technology digest..." Today's Topics: 1. [Technology 1687] Literacy Debate: Online, R U Really Reading? (David J. Rosen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:55:26 -0400 From: "David J. Rosen" <djrosen at comcast.net> Subject: [Technology 1687] Literacy Debate: Online, R U Really Reading? To: The Technology and Literacy Discussion List <technology at nifl.gov> Message-ID: <55EFFB5E-9D33-438C-B552-37196464C82B at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Technology colleagues, Today's New York Times has an article (online, of course) on reading online vs reading books. Among other things mentioned are: ? a spoof web site about an endangered Pacific Northwest Tree Octopus that 90% of the students of the teacher who assigned the web site thought was authentic, ? an Internet literacy test which will be taken by students in OECD countries (except the U.S.), and ? various views about whether reading online is an essential kind of reading now or distracting from serious reading. You'll find the article at: http://tinyurl.com/6n7vjk I wonder what you think of this article (the first in a series). David J. 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