Hi Mari,

I would love to know more about the TIAN materials.  Are they books, 
manipulatives, or a combination there of?  Also how might you go about 
ordering these materials?

Thanks so much,
Kathy Dowdy
Austin Community College-Adult Education

Mari John <mjohn at kats.tec.ks.us> said:


> I started teaching from the TIAN materials (fractions, decimals and 

percents book) and they're wonderful.  One of my students said the visual 
number line and the "half of a half" concept for understanding one-fourth of 
a number has given her a new understanding of fractions.  She's very bright 
in reading and writing but has always struggled with math.  Others have 
also "religiously" used that number line to understand the concept of 
breaking down a whole number into fractions.  I taught from the data and 
graph and algebra book last year.   I heard similar comments:  "They never 
taught us this way when I was in school"!!

> 

> Mari John

> Kansas

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>    1. [SpecialTopics 664] Re: Components of Numeracy/Manipulatives

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>    2. [SpecialTopics 665]  Components of Numeracy (David J. Rosen)

>    3. [SpecialTopics 666] Re: Numeracy-Children vs. Adult

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>    4. [SpecialTopics 667] Re: International Discussion Ends     and

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> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:33:26 -0400 (EDT)

> From: "Lynda Ginsburg" <ginsburg at rci.rutgers.edu>

> Subject: [SpecialTopics 664] Re: Components of Numeracy/Manipulatives

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> Hi all,

> 

> I have used measuring tools, particularly rulers and tape measures, as

> "concrete manipulatives" to help learners "see" fractions and decimals

> (cm. rulers or tapes). The topic is ostensibly measurement, which

> virtually every adult has found useful and worthwhile, and the need for

> fractions or decimals is quite apparent. Equivalent fractions make sense

> on a ruler, as do adding and subtracting fractions.

> 

> It has also been fun to have groups of learners design their ideal house

> or apartment, draw it on graph paper to scale, and then make scale models

> with cardboard. Lots of proportional reasoning, measurement, etc. People

> have even built small cardboard furniture and brought in toy cars for the

> driveway or street. Problem-based learning, collaboration, need to

> communicate mathematically, and lots of math issues arise.

> 

> 

> Lynda

> 

> Mary Wooten wrote:

> > Manipulatives--

> >

> > I'm so glad someone is interested in manipulatives.  We actively use

> > manipulatives in all our ABE/GED math classes to illustrate concrete and

> > abstract concepts, concretely for students.  It is a way of illustrating

> > a concept.  We have a wonderful response from students, in general.

> >

> > We use them both with small groups and individually.

> >

> > The key to acceptance with adults is modeling use of them and having

> > them out and available in the classroom as a rule of thumb, not an

> > exception.  We like the rolling plastic drawers to store them in so we

> > can pull them around the room.

> >

> > We have obtained most of our manipulatives through the Summit Learning

> > Company.  We have quite a few but ones we use most often are:

> > Multiplication Wraps- great for abstracting times tables, Clock to show

> > elapsed time,  large cardboard Thermometer - for positive and negative

> > numbers; fraction tiles, dice, Pizza game- great for fractions with a

> > group, decimal/fraction/ percent dominoes.

> >

> > Teachers do need to be trained on these and encouraged to use them.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Mary S. Wooten  M.Ed.

> >

> > GED Coordinator

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> > Adult Basic Education

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> > Phone  (505) 428-1329

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> >

> > -----Original Message-----

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> > [mailto:specialtopics-bounces at nifl.gov] On Behalf Of Kathie Daviau

> > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 4:49 PM

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> > Subject: [SpecialTopics 652] Re: Components of Numeracy

> >

> >

> >

> > I am interested in the use of manipulatives in the adult ed math

> > classroom.  How are manipulatives used?  How do you introduce

> > manipulatives to adults?  Do you use manipulatives in an individualized

> > setting?  What are your favorite manipulatives?

> > Thanks,

> > Kathie

> > Billings, Montana

> >

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

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> > Sent: Sun 9/16/2007 5:44 AM

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> > Subject: [SpecialTopics 649]  Components of Numeracy

> >

> > Colleagues,

> >

> > Some of you have emailed me that you have been eagerly awaiting the

> > discussion on the components of numeracy study.

> >

> > To get full benefit from the discussion this week you will need to

> > prepare.  It won't take long.  You'll find links to the readings at:

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> > http://www.nifl.gov/lincs/discussions/specialtopics/07numeracy.html

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> > or the short Web address:

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> > http://tinyurl.com/yvo6hf

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> >

> > So far I have not received any questions from subscribers.  Please

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> > or to the list today.

> >

> > Thanks,

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> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:12:42 -0400

> From: "David J. Rosen" <djrosen at comcast.net>

> Subject: [SpecialTopics 665]  Components of Numeracy

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> Colleagues,

> 

> I do hope our guest authors might address the three questions I posed

> yesterday, and here are  three more:

> 

> 4. One difference, that you point out in the study on page 15,

> between how children and adults learn numeracy is ?The inclusion of

> societal contexts in adult-focused frameworks stands in marked

> contrast to the exclusion of such contexts in school-based

> frameworks.?  Are there other differences?

> 

> 5. I have been looking at some numeracy teaching/teacher training

> videos, for example:

> 

> http://mlots.org (?Ratio and Proportion?)

> http://www.teachersnetwork.org/media/index.cfm (?Real Math?)

> 

> Most of the videos I have found are focused on children; very few are

> focused on adults; but the approaches are similar: getting teachers

> comfortable in the language and use of numeracy thinking, organizing

> classrooms so students are actively engaged in discovery of numeracy

> concepts, and helping learners make those concepts and related skills

> their own. What do you see as the similarities between how children

> and adults ideally should learn numeracy?

> 

> 6. On pages 16-17 of the study you describe a continuum of

> contextualization and give examples of two very different word

> problem learning activities, the opposite ends of the spectrum. The

> first is a decontextualized opportunity to practice some recently-

> taught skills ? an activity that is ?realistic?, not ?real?. The

> second grows from a real-life context where students do not have

> clues, other that the context of the problem itself, for what

> numeracy is needed. I wonder if you have other examples along the

> continuum that you could share.

> 

> David J. Rosen

> Special Topics Discussion Moderator

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> Message: 3

> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:19:38 -0400 (EDT)

> From: "Lynda Ginsburg" <ginsburg at rci.rutgers.edu>

> Subject: [SpecialTopics 666] Re: Numeracy-Children vs. Adult

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> Hi David et al,

> 

> I wanted to comment on some of the issues you raised about the differences

> between children's and adults' experiences learning math/numeracy. To me,

> one of the primary differences is the whole idea of learning math vs.

> learning numeracy.

> 

> In school, children are generally learning math so that they can go on to

> and be successful in higher levels of math. Children are full time

> students; that's pretty much what they do. While there is an assumption

> that the math children learn will be available for other, everyday

> purposes, meeting those purposes (usually expected to be in the future) is

> not generally the goal of school.  Thus, our statement about the exclusion

> of societal contexts in school math. I know that's a gross generalization,

> but I think it's often true. Just think about "word problems" that have

> sometimes been promoted as "real world applications." Word problems are

> virtually always contrived, pretty formulaic, and function as

> computational examples with words, and usually aren't very

> realistic/meaningful to the learner (When was the last time a teenager

> really needed to figure out when the two trains would meet? For that

> matter, when was the last time you needed to figure that out?). Most of us

> noticed pretty quickly that the word problems following the pages on

> multiplying fractions could all be solved by multiplying the fractions

> between the words.

> 

> On the other hand, we have been thinking of "numeracy" as being integrally

> connected with real world activity, continuously crossing the

> school/everyday life chasm. Adult learners have one foot in the classroom

> and the other in the outside world. They bring that world into the

> classroom with their experiences, and they should be able to bring their

> classroom-based learning out to their real lives. Tasks and problems in

> real life are messy, call for judgements, estimations, and assumptions.

> Math becomes a tool, not an end in itself.

> 

> Without getting into the whole "math wars" thing, the K-12 math reform

> movement has tried to shift the emphasis of school math learning from a

> focus on acquiring and mastering decontextualized computation skills to a

> focus on developing conceptual understanding. To me, this is a shift

> towards my vision of numeracy.

> 

> Getting back to your question about the teacher training videos that show

> children exploring, talking about math concepts, struggling with making

> meaning of the math -- I agree these are similar to what I would like to

> see in adult ed classes. The few existing videos of adult ed math

> instruction are also in this vein (from the TIAN/EMPower projects, from

> NCAL's PDK, others?) Generally all these videos are from reform classes,

> often from National Science Foundation curriculum projects. I think these

> video tapes have been created from the need for teachers (K-12 & adult ed)

> to be able to see what a different kind of instruction might look like,

> especially since most teachers didn't experience this kind of schooling

> themselves. [I know that this was the rationale behind "Captured Wisdom"

> which focused on using technology in the classroom].

> 

> That said, I am sure there are also some videos out there promoting rote

> learning of math facts, but we all already know what that looks like.

> 

> Sorry to be rambling,

> Lynda

> 

> 

> David J. Rosen wrote:

> > Colleagues,

> >

> > I do hope our guest authors might address the three questions I posed

> > yesterday, and here are  three more:

> >

> > 4. One difference, that you point out in the study on page 15,

> > between how children and adults learn numeracy is ?The inclusion of

> > societal contexts in adult-focused frameworks stands in marked

> > contrast to the exclusion of such contexts in school-based

> > frameworks.?  Are there other differences?

> >

> > 5. I have been looking at some numeracy teaching/teacher training

> > videos, for example:

> >

> > http://mlots.org (?Ratio and Proportion?)

> > http://www.teachersnetwork.org/media/index.cfm (?Real Math?)

> >

> > Most of the videos I have found are focused on children; very few are

> > focused on adults; but the approaches are similar: getting teachers

> > comfortable in the language and use of numeracy thinking, organizing

> > classrooms so students are actively engaged in discovery of numeracy

> > concepts, and helping learners make those concepts and related skills

> > their own. What do you see as the similarities between how children

> > and adults ideally should learn numeracy?

> >

> > 6. On pages 16-17 of the study you describe a continuum of

> > contextualization and give examples of two very different word

> > problem learning activities, the opposite ends of the spectrum. The

> > first is a decontextualized opportunity to practice some recently-

> > taught skills ? an activity that is ?realistic?, not ?real?. The

> > second grows from a real-life context where students do not have

> > clues, other that the context of the problem itself, for what

> > numeracy is needed. I wonder if you have other examples along the

> > continuum that you could share.

> >

> > David J. Rosen

> > Special Topics Discussion Moderator

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> Message: 4

> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:38:23 -0400

> From: Mary Jane Schmitt <mary_jane_schmitt at terc.edu>

> Subject: [SpecialTopics 667] Re: International Discussion Ends  and

>         Numeracy        Discussion Begins

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> Hi Louise

> 

> Yes, current versions of spell-check reject the word numeracy, even though

> its usage is becoming more common. When we used it in our papers, we

> generally meant adult numeracy. Early childhood numeracy* is different

> because numeracy does depend upon context - and age can be thought of as a

> contextual  and a cognitive factor. The math appropriate for a 3-year old

> to learn, understand, and be able to do is different for an adult. On the

> other hand, all age groups are included when being numerate is defined as

> having `the ability and inclination to use mathematics effectively in our

> lives--at home, at work, and in the community' (New Zealand Ministry of

> Education, 2001).

> 

> As far as far as the relationship among mathematics, literacy, and

> numeracy, some  use a Venn diagram to illustrate numeracy as the

> intersection of mathematics and literacy - that might be a better analogy

> than a bridge between math and literacy. In fact, we see the term

> "mathematical literacy" to be synonymous with numeracy.

> 

> * An aside, as we meant to focus on adult numeracy during this discussion:

>  There is a rich body of research on early numeracy development, even in

> infants. I am fascinated by studies that have shown 6-month olds to be

> aware of subtraction errors (as evidenced by extended gaze), or the idea

> that babies can subitize, (recognize small quantities without counting) .

> Australia and New Zealand have early numeracy educational initiatives that

> are very interesting. I think Dave Tout and I stand corrected on the K-12

> designation for "school math before reaching adulthood."  Even though many

> of the documents we referred to focused on K-12, we could have included

> pre-K.

> 

> Take care,

> Mary Jane

> 

> 

> Mary Jane Schmitt

> TERC

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> 

> 

> 

> 

> Louise Wiener <lwiener at llfinc.org>

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> Discussion Begins

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Dear David,

> 

> I found the Tout and Schmitt chapter particularly invigorating and

> challenging and hope Dr. Schmitt might comment on two thoughts for

> starters.

> 

> I was surprised at the frequent reference to K-12 with almost no reference

> to pre-K.  I first became familiar with the term numeracy in the context

> of Head Start standards. Is there research on numeracy in the early

> childhood field ? or has the name alone been adopted?

> 

> I was struck, too, by the reference to numeracy as the bridge between

> mathematics and the real world. I see it  equally as the bridge between

> mathematics and literacy because  it captures (builds on?) the language

> and concepts of math as contrasted with the pure computation of math.

> 

> You will note that at least my spell-check rejects ?numeracy? as a valid

> word.  Perhaps we should start by lobbying there!

> 

> Thank you, Louise

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>   On 9/15/07 8:10 AM, "David J. Rosen" <djrosen at comcast.net> wrote:

> 

> Special Topics Colleagues,

> 

> I want to thank our guests for the topic:  What International Literacy

> Programs Offer Programs in the U.S. : Brenda Bell, Pamela Civins, Dr. John

> Comings, Barbara Garner, Dr. Erik Jacobson, Juliet Merrifield, and Dr.

> Ujwala Samant. I know we have only scratched the surfaces of several

> issues here in this one short week, but the discussion has been

> tantalizing.  I also want to thank Oxfam for making the book Developing

> Adult Literacy: Approaches to planning, implementing and delivering

> literacy initiatives by Juliet Merrifield Juliet McCaffrey, and Juliet

> Millican available by download free for this discussion. It will be

> available in hard copy on September 30, 2007.

> 

> This marks the end of the international literacy discussion, for now at

> least.

> 

> On Monday we will begin a new discussion on The Components of Numeracy

>  with Mary Jane Schmitt, Myrna Manly and Dr. Lynda Ginsburg, an occasional

> paper published by the National Center for the Study of Adult Learning

> and Literacy.

> 

> For more information, and a short list of readings to prepare for the

> discussion please go to:

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